has had vs. had

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has had vs. had

Post by azz » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:17 am

1) She had two children who became dropouts, and three other children who graduated from college.
2) She has had two children who became dropouts, and three other children who graduated from college.


Which of the above is grammatically correct?

Many thanks.
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Post by Shelley » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:01 pm

They both seem ok to me, azz.
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Post by Rufus Miles » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:31 am

the use of the past/preterit or the present perfect in the first verb surely changes everything. In the second example the event is linked to the present, so "she" could still have more children (or indeed "have still more children" - not the same meaning either). However one could argue that if this were indeed the speaker's intention, then he/she ought to have used "have become"...
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Post by Erik_Kowal » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:02 am

Rufus Miles wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:31 am
However one could argue that if this were indeed the speaker's intention, then he/she ought to have used "have become"...
True for British English, but I think this kind of tense mixing is largely acceptable in most flavours of US English.
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Post by Rufus Miles » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:30 am

good point. They don't use present perfect in many places we do
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