have to lose

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have to lose

Post by azz » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:59 am

Can one say
a. It seems that there are people who just have to lose no matter how hard they try.
b. It seems that there are people who have to lose no matter how hard they try.

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My feeling is that they work, but in them 'have to' does not mean 'are under the obligation to', but rather 'are destined to'. It is their destiny and they can't avoid it.

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Post by Erik_Kowal » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:21 pm

Agreed. This connotation is brought into relief with supporting context:


Their start-up was woefully under-capitalized, and nobody knew what the hell they were doing. Once the market turned, their venture had to fail.
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