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Post by Bobinwales » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:46 pm

I was asked a question in another place. There is a lake in Swansea called Pluck Lake, and the questioner wanted to know where the name came from. In the back of my mind I have a feeling that a stream of some sort was called a pluck, but I have not been able to confirm it. I don't think that it is Welsh, there is no 'k' in the Welsh alphabet. Could any of you help please?
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Re: Pluck

Post by Bobinwales » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:44 pm

There has been some movement, although not a lot.

Someone has dragged up from the back of memory that a pluck could be a stream running FROM a larger stream or river rather than to it. Still nothing in writing though!
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Re: Pluck

Post by tony h » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:59 pm

I have not come across pluck used in that way and would question whether the informant might not be confusing and gilding beck.

I did wonder whether the geological use of pluck side to mean lee side could indicate that the lake was on the lee side of a hill/ Swansea/woodland or whatever. Pure conjecture.
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Re: Pluck

Post by Bobinwales » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:52 am

Not at all possible Tony.
I hadn't come across pluck as lee before, and that is obviously a possible derivation.
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Re: Pluck

Post by Phil White » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:02 pm

Bobinwales wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:46 pm
there is no 'k' in the Welsh alphabet.
No, but there is a "c". My guess would be that the name has morphed from an older Welsh name, which may only loosely resemble "pluck". The obvious candidate would be "plwc", but it leaves you with the same problem of meaning and derivation.

Old maps, old books. Anything dating from a time when Welsh was spoken more widely in the area.
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Re: Pluck

Post by tony h » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:38 pm

The earlier map doesn't seem to show the lake the latter 1893 does. It also shows considerable industrialisation in the form factories and a railway. I wonder whether the lake was formed then.

http://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/britis ... 1U00135000

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101168552

I was feeling pretty good about that when I found :http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/domesday/d ... 00/page/14
1986
Future developments include a hotel
and leisure park. Already, the Council
have made a lake called the "Pluck"
which has been stocked with fish and
there are seats for people to sit on.
There are also nature trails through
the trees.
Maybe it is just plucked from the slag heaps.
PS I have never seen a heap of slags.
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Re: Pluck

Post by Phil White » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:51 pm

Nice work, Tony.

Odd name to invent out of thin air.
tony h wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:38 pm
PS I have never seen a heap of slags.
You are more than welcome to visit Merseyside on a Friday night if you wish to change that.
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Re: Pluck

Post by Bobinwales » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:26 pm

Thanks everyone. I did consider Plwc of course, but I can't find that word either.
The area was a dreadful mess until relatively recently. I will have a search around and see if I can show you some then and now pictures. I actually remember the area without a blade of grass because of sulphuric acid in the air.
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