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Post niff naff, niffnaff, niff-naff
Posted on: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:38 pm

I heard this one, today, for the first time.
“That’s just so much niff naff” (spoken with a British accent). At first I thought it meant bull shit but it appears to mean trivial little bits and pieces or odds and ends. It sounds very similar to knick-knack. Are those porcelain swans and ceramic cats on the glass shelf in my Mum’s house niff naffs?


 
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Post Re: niff naff, niffnaff, niff-naff
Posted on: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:58 pm

John (a.k.a. trolley), This seems to be a strictly British expression:

MERRIAM WEBSTER’S UNABRIDGED DICTIONARY

NIFF-NAFF intransitive verb (British dialect): triffle
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A DICTIONARY OF SLANG AND UNCONVENTIONAL ENGLISH by Eric Partridge[/i][/b]

NIFF-NAFF: Especially in Don’t niff-naff, ‘stop fussing and get cracking . . .’ Royal Air Force since circa 1930. A variation reduplication of niff, which seem to combine niggle and fuss.
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OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY

NIFF-NAFF (intransitive verb) [1728]: Chiefly Scottish and England regional (northern), and Irish English (northern)

To trifle, mess around; to act aimlessly or foolishly. [Origin uncertain; perhaps a reduplicated formation from niff- from niffle, a variant of nifle, noun [[meaning a trifle; a thing of little or no value.] with the same vowel variation as zig-zag, shilly-shally, etc., expressing see-saw action]]
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<1728 “Oh my dear Lassie, it is but Daffin To had thy Woer up ay niff naffin.”—There’s my Thumb by A. Ramsay, iii. in Poems, II. page 124>

<1815 “Some toil'd for meal, an' some for maut, While some were just niff-naffin'.”—Poems by J. Ruickbie, page 97>

<1894 “He niffnaffed on at the job.”—Northumberland Words at Niffnaff by R. O. Heslop>

<1945 “Niff-naff, don't, stop fussing and get cracking.”—Royal Air Force Slang made Easy by C.H. Ward-Jackson, page 435>

<1953 Niff-naff, . .. to trifle; to potter about; to act foolishly or aimlessly. Nyiff-nyaffin' about the house.”—English Dialect of Donegal, page 197>

NIFF-NAFF noun [1808] From the verb: A small person or thing; a trifle, a knick-knack. In later use also as a mass noun: junk, clutter; petty concerns or detail. [[John. Looks like those porcelain swans and ceramic cats on the glass shelf in your Mum’s house can be called niff naffs.]]
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<1808 Niffnaffs, articles that are small and of little value.”—Etymological Dictionary of Scottish Language by J. Jamieson>

<1896 Niffnaffs, nick-nacks.”—Words & Phrases Hetton-le-Hole County Durham by F. M. T. Palsgrave>

<1929 “His wife showed him . . . a fine ivory fan... ‘He's aye sendin' niff-naffs like that to Leeb.’”—Scots Magazine, 13 October>

<1953 Niff-naff, . . . a trifling thing or matter.”—English Dialect of Donegal by M. Traynor, page 197/1>

<1989 “It's got a general secretary, Mike Farrell, who looks after the niff naff.”—Athletics Today, 26 October, page 27/1>

<2000 “If you can bear to chuck out—or store if you must—the niff-naff of your previous lifestyle, you can indulge in the current passion for the pared-down look.”—Western Daily Press (Bristol, England), 30 December>
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Post Re: niff naff, niffnaff, niff-naff
Posted on: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:24 pm

Thanks, Ken. I am going to stow niff naff with the rest of my gimcrack and bric-a-brac. Oh dear, just more crap that I'll probably never use!


 
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Post Re: niff naff, niffnaff, niff-naff
Posted on: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:10 am

Interesting, I have never come across the expression, still, if it is mainly northern English and Scottish it is possible.

I know that a BBC Television programme from the 70s, PORRIDGE, used ‘naff’ as a minced oath, and that seems to have entered the language meaning kitsch.

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