.. so much to say so little time .. so much to explain .. but let's try >>
I have yet to see any evidence of a concerted effort by Americans (or by the OED, for that matter) to subvert the English of the rest of the globe so that it conforms to the norms of American English (an enterprise that would be doomed in any case).
.. subversion is by its very nature secretive and so I can but provide one
example from many .. listening recently to two teenage Australian
lads set to have a fight .. did I hear, Mate I’m gunna givya a smack intha mouth!
.. NO .. instead I heard, Bro I iz gunna bitch slap yo!
.. now one might ask where a good Aussie WASP would hear, let alone be influenced by such a linguistic change .. now let me guess .. hmmmmmmmm .. I wonder? .. could it be song lyrics accompanied by MTV .. TV, movies, comics you name it ..doomed
you say .. far from it Erik it is alive and being brainwashed into the youth of Australia every watching, listening moment .. and to your second point >>
It would be more to the point (though equally futile) for you to tell your fellow-Australians to stop enjoying and watching American TV programmes, in order to prevent them from infecting themselves with American expressions and the influence of American culture.
?? are we ?? .. do we have any choice ?? .. and since the recently signed and trumpeted (by the Federal Government) Free Trade Agreement the Aussie Entertainment industry and Advertising industry is set to be extinguished because under this agreement there will be open slather for the US to demand
that they can flood the Aussie market with more and more Americanised ”culture ?”
.. Erik you have to live here to see what I am seeing .. to experience what I am experiencing .. to see and hear the differences from when I was a youth to now is devastating .. to feel the death of ones linguistic culture is sad .. to have it called parochial
is to only hear a poorly informed commentator .. to suggest that it is a case of linguistic development and change is to poorly understand such change in Australia.. if these expressions were merely a development of past Aussie expressions then no problem .. if they were a natural extension of the movement of Aussie culture where our broad multicultural linguistic heritage was being insinuated into the language then OK .. but to simply see the imposition of US linguistic culture is both sad and heartbreaking .. our youth are being brainwashed and the sad thing is that they don’t even realise it .. the once colourful and creative Aussie linguistic expression is being killed by mediocre US linguistic neo-colonialism ..
.. and to Ken
And as far as my view on 'linguistic neocolonialism by the US,’ what balderdash!
.. isn’t it wonderful to speak from the position of power ?? .. isn’t it wonderful to see the world through red, white and blue glasses ?? .. and sadly isn’t it wonderful to believe that all the World loves what the US is doing to individual countries .. what they are doing to the smaller linguistic cultures of the World simply by being IN a position of economic superiority to demand that their spellings, their grammar, their linguistic conventions can insidiously undermine the traditions of smaller nations .. see MY comments above to Erik about having to experience
the slow death of one’s language heralded as the natural evolution of Australian English .. Ken we do NOT welcome it and yes it is a matter of some economic idea of market forces .. as an example to find that I must accept math
instead of the Australian maths
in books simply because we do not have a big enough market
to have an Australian version of a book is infuriating .. not to mention having to further explain an outdated imperial system in examples just because the US still flogs the dinosaur of imperial measurement ..
"..... and in my view all this linguistic chauvinism is bullshit."
.. yes Ken provided that YOUR side is the alpha language .. provided of course that it is American English that is dominating ..
.. Ken, Erik I do expect you to understand my feelings .. I do not expect you to be able to feel as passionately about Australian English as I do .. I do expect you to know what it is to watch as the sociolinguistic mores of ones language are swamped not by the development of ones own culture but by the imposition of a foreign culture .. I cannot expect it .. and wisely I DO not expect it .. to agree with Bob, I think we must beg to differ in this regard ..
WoZ of Aus 23/04/06