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Post by Shelley » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:59 pm

Hi all,
Is it "to the manor born" (as in the BBC series title), or is it "to the manner born" (as paraphrased in a line from a book I'm reading, ". . . he was born to the manner . . . ")?
Thanks.
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Post by Erik_Kowal » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:32 pm

And let's not forget that the Israelites in Sinai were to the manna born.
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Post by Bobinwales » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:21 pm

It is to the manor born Shelley. It means that the person was brung up posh, like wot I was.
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Post by Shelley » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:48 pm

If I hadn't already thanked you (in advance), I would thank you now!;-)
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Post by Edwin Ashworth » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:32 pm

Beware the leaven of Erik.
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Post by russcable » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:05 am

Hamlet: Ay, marry, is't:
But to my mind, though I am native here
And to the manner born, it is a custom
More honour'd in the breach than the observance.
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Post by Shelley » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:56 am

Thank you, russcable, for providing what seems to be the source. Today I went to bartleby.com and found:
Kenneth G. Wilson (1923-). The Columbia Guide to Standard American English. 1993. manner, manor (nn.), to the manner (manor) born These words are homophones, manner meaning "a mode of behavior" (see also KIND), manor, "a house of mansion and its land." To the manner born is an idiom meaning "from birth accustomed to the behavior expected and therefore able to meet the standards easily," and To the manor born is an idiom meaning "accustomed as from birth to the ways and demands of being landed gentry." Manner appears to have the stronger literary sanction (see Hamlet I.iv.15), but both forms of the idiom are in use in Standard English.
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The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002. A person who is "to the manner born" is one who has acquired genteel tastes and habits by virtue of having been born into a privileged class: "Rachel is charming at dinner parties -- as if she were to the manner born." This expression is sometimes mistakenly rendered as "to the manor born."
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Post by Erik_Kowal » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:35 am

How disappointing. It seems that Bob and Russ are both right.
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Post by Shelley » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:44 pm

Cheer up, Erik, . . . and about those Israelites:

As Moses through hardship did lead 'em
He wondered, "how 'm I to feed 'em?"
God dropped down some manna.
They all sang, "Hosannah",
But 40 years later, it teed 'em.

(No offense intended.)
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